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what's up everybody

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thanks for joining me today

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um

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it is pretty cold and windy and

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miserable where i am

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so i hope things are going a little bit

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better over by you weather-wise

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but you know

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what can you really ask for it is

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january so

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just gonna kind of roll with that

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so luckily i have a couple great friends

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here with me today

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and we're going to discuss

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the year of 2021

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which will go down in uap

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ufo history

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as probably one of the biggest years the

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topic has ever seen

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um and i am just so grateful that i

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could be a part of it uh along with the

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two uh gentlemen that will be joining me

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um and yeah so

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first i'll introduce the man to myth the

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mr christopher how are you

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hey i'm doing really well how are you

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doing john i'm doing excellent how was

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your holidays

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it was a happy holidays

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it's fantastic yeah i love the new intro

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oh thank you and the new backdrop here

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looks great thank you thank you i missed

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you man it's good to see you again misty

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too brother missed you too

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you know

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there has been a shining star that has

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come out of 2021

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and i'm thankful to know him he has

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um run a beautiful website called

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liberation times that you know i was

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honored to put a couple pieces out on

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um but

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regardless of those i mean that really

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those pieces made the site what they

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committed

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but you know let's just throw those out

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there's been other good work on there

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i was on there for a few hours earlier

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it's probably the worst but

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bringing amazing news um to this

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community with integrity uh details uh

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honest truth and pure goodness so

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without further ado i bring them in

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mr christopher sharp how are you today

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sir hey guys thank you very much um so

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i'm like jay i wasn't really a fan of

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your opening actually i think it needs a

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little bit of living out uh

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you know maybe some dance rhythms um

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definitely make some nordic blondes and

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some insect toys or something like that

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i like i like christopher's idea of

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bringing in the uh space brothers sean i

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right now it's awesome how was your

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um it was really really good thank you

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very much um we had a coverage-free

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growing up i suppose and being a dad but

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yeah all really good me how about you

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as a cheapskate from eastern europe and

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person and uh the holiday went well

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regardless yeah and new year's went well

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as well my wife pulled one of those on

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couple gifts i got her like a

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indoor outdoor greenhouse thing and you

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but you know that's how you do it that's

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how you roll so i'm sure but christopher

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big phone home stuff

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and i just threw it out there hey you

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need help and you're like hell yeah i

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need help and

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your own website that's a that's a lot

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right you want to do it well

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so that's a responsibility you took on

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there what made you do it

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some really good feedback so

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cameras but um yeah yeah so uh it's been

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yeah i'm proud of you dude and

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especially you got those

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uh comments by uh christopher mellon and

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you know uh ross kolhart shared a couple

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i mean you got to feel good about that

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about um leaving a legacy and um

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you know i'm not getting paid very much

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i mean you'll put an article you'll like

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spend 10 hours and you'll look at the ad

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money it'd be like you made two pounds

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like go into the private sector today

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legacy thinking actually what i'm doing

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um you know making the world a better

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uh christopher how important was 20 21

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um and just trying to adapt and everyone

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like doing liberation times and um

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journalism i love connecting the dots

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making sure each article is

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the best it can be and sean you know how

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you know we can spend on these articles

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when we're writing and just to make sure

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they're absolutely correct and the

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process you go through you have to fact

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you have to vet your sources

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um you have to make sure the analysis is

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top notch and you're looking at it from

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all angles

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start looking for the typos

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all the errors and stuff and um proved

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the work so

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it's a lot of hard work but it's it's

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really good to see you know what we get

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out of it so yeah hopefully i'm making a

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bit of a difference

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let me ask you this with all the work

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that you've put into everything

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then we get this

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uap bill this amendment um passed

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we can go backwards but

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from here but uh that that was a pretty

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good success and you can say that a lot

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of that yeah maybe started 40 years ago

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and everything but they're you know and

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i came in you know a little late maybe

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late last year early this year but it

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really seems like this year of momentum

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on twitter with the big phone home and

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then everything that came from that and

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all the groups that came from that and

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the podcasts and the writers such as

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all that momentum really

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uh with that bill getting past how did

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you feel when that got passed in

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relation to you know everything that

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you've been putting into this

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yes i mean it's an ecosystem that we've

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built up isn't it like if you look about

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a year or even two years ago

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you didn't have many podcasts um the

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debrief and face outlets like that

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didn't exist and now look at it look how

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it's changed you've got so many people

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speaking on the topic and i expect that

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to grow um so you mean the ndaa 2022

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yeah

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um yes it felt really really good um

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when it got passed but i think

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there's still

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some battles left in there already

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today about some um an encounter that i

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had with um

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susan goff um

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by email and uh it looks like

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they're still putting up some um

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they're still putting up some

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um a bit of fight basically against

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what we would like to have let's say um

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so for instance

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um

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there is no uap office

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as opposed to the ao imsg right

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it is just the ao imsg now according to

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susan goff so there are only two offices

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there is only one office that's what she

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said to me in her email so

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i've got to get used to saying it now

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you know

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uh so see that yeah so we've only got

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one office now

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um

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and

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i can't see with 100 accuracy but it

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seems like

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they're veering towards trying to put

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this within ousd

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um which is

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the office where atip was in which is

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basically being

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alleged to have been

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the problem behind

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uap instance not going up the chain um

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to senior people within the military and

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um congress so i mean

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it's probably not going to work i mean

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it's because

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you know this office is an oversight

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office

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um so it oversees these things and um

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it's not operational um basically so in

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other words it doesn't really have the

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technical expertise to go out there and

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investigate things in the field um it

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can't it doesn't have the authority to

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provide contracts and that's that's

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another article that i've got into words

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as well of how important contracts and

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contractors are to this process

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um

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let me just stick with jl and heineck

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throughout

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all of ufo history from 47 to 69. he was

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their biggest

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you know tool you know for better for

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worse you could say i guess but he was

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always out there you know putting his

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face in front of the camera for him

362
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doing the investigations trying to

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figure stuff out really on the outside

364
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um so

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yeah that's interesting maybe a bit

366
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right now but you still may have a high

367
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nick um so if you look at the text

368
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um they're able they're able via this

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sect f and odni

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to

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um provide security clearances

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to let's say people not within

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the dod

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on board on the line organizations that

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they're going to have which basically

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um they go in there that says be a uap

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incident um

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involving

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navy ships so they'll go in there

380
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look at the data look at sensor readings

381
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talk to the crew do their own scientific

382
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analysis so on that you can bring on

383
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board contractors

384
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um to look at the systems and stuff but

385
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you could also bring

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on you know astronomers perhaps

387
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um and you know people

388
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um like abby loebs

389
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you know experts on the galileo project

390
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you can bring them potentially onto the

391
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yeah if if nothing else i mean this year

392
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will

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probably forever be on the map as one as

394
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being one of the big years at least

395
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up until this point for uap news or

396
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unidentified phenomena news

397
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because of this new office but in many

398
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ways 2021 and its news could be

399
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perceived as

400
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kind of like a dizzying blur for a lot

401
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of reasons not least which could be that

402
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we've all endured our second year of the

403
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pandemic as you mentioned earlier

404
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that many of us thought would maybe end

405
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last spring

406
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as such news that in other years would

407
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have demanded front page articles and

408
00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:00,560
major think pieces might be already

409
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reduced to half forgotten memories

410
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without going into detail quite yet what

411
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,919
do you think were apart from that office

412
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were the biggest stories related to

413
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unidentified phenomena for this past

414
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i think

415
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has to be so it started out you had

416
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um you had president trump

417
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signed the last ndaa so that created a

418
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wave of of headlines

419
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um so that got it started and then you

420
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had the core bell releases

421
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which kind of like wet everyone's

422
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appetite for the report

423
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uh probably unrealistically i think some

424
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people are expecting the report to be

425
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released

426
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and some shocking videos to emerge maybe

427
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,280
a quotation from the um the secretary of

428
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defense saying they're aliens or

429
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,760
something like that you know and um just

430
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,240
nonsense basically but ignoring the fact

431
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,799
that the dod is a bureaucracy at the end

432
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of the day and they've got to be very

433
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very clear in their language and as

434
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someone said to me the other day

435
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um

436
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i'm using the right terminology

437
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,760
chances so um

438
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,080
well certainties i suppose so

439
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they can't just say these aliens if

440
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:22,640
they're not certain i mean is there a 50

441
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chance is there 70 chance

442
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:27,120
if you're gonna go out there and say

443
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it's definitely this then that's your

444
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whole career on the line

445
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um

446
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:33,280
so i mean sorry i'm veering off here but

447
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i think

448
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was a lot of people who felt a little

449
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:39,760
bit let down

450
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um because it wasn't this blockbuster or

451
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a thing where

452
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,320
um they got to see all these images and

453
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,480
alleged encounters and stuff but it

454
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:51,360
wasn't supposed to do that um it was

455
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,160
supposed to trigger an internal process

456
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:56,720
um within the pentagon involving

457
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,520
congressional engagement which kind of

458
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:01,760
led to the point where we're at now in

459
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,880
terms of the ndaa 2022 because i'm sure

460
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:06,880
that behind the scenes

461
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:09,520
congress or certain committees have seen

462
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,480
shocking

463
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,039
um

464
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,679
of craft i can't say for certain what

465
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,440
that is i mean i can go on from what

466
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:19,120
news said that there's very very clear

467
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,160
footage

468
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,520
christopher mellon said that there's

469
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,039
quite an emotional encounter with the

470
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,679
pilot is very very emotional in the

471
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,160
encounter um which if released would

472
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:29,919
kind of like create headlines and stuff

473
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,520
but um i think they've seen some stuff

474
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,360
and i think now what we're doing we're

475
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just working our ourselves up to i think

476
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it's the 30th 31st of october this year

477
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which is when the

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unclassified version of the

479
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annual report comes out

480
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:49,440
so that's the next day in which we

481
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,480
should learn

482
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,799
something official hopefully from

483
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:55,280
um from the dod unless any leaks or

484
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:03,350
sean would yeah sorry but i'm telling

485
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,760
you my mic was muted uh yeah i mean um

486
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,520
trump passing the first thing yeah that

487
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,280
was a pretty big that was a pretty big

488
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,760
deal for sure and and corbell and the in

489
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the lead-up and the almost like

490
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,000
promotion up to that uh was pretty

491
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intense and

492
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you know they're you know kind of

493
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playing off of um

494
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,640
what you said

495
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christopher one of the things that lewis

496
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said on my show first by the way

497
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was that there was a 23-minute video um

498
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,360
that um you know he agreed with me would

499
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make people want to wear diapers when

500
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they watched it you know

501
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so

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i seriously agreed it you know it was a

503
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was it a bad

504
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,149
you know so at what at what point to you

505
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,159
you know as a journalist

506
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um do you

507
00:21:02,710 --> 00:20:59,760
know do you want to keep hearing stuff

508
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:02,720
like that or would you rather not hear

509
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,000
it and wait for it to come to the public

510
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,400
for instance you know what's your take

511
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,159
on that because that was a pretty big

512
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,480
thing this year as far as

513
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,200
wetting everyone's appetite you know and

514
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:16,880
almost getting you know helping get

515
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,760
through the down times to get to you

516
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,480
know a past amendment

517
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,280
yeah i mean it depends what the internal

518
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,120
dynamics are like so

519
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,120
if so if a leaked bit of footage comes

520
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from someone from within the dod they do

521
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,039
it illegally

522
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,280
and let's say that they're quite

523
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,120
important to the effort kind of like

524
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,880
investigating uap

525
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,320
and because of that

526
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,320
they get fired

527
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,799
other people go down with that person

528
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,640
then that's the whole kind of like

529
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:49,520
effort i suppose

530
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,559
kind of

531
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:52,559
potentially derailed

532
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:56,080
um as to what is going to come out of

533
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,440
all this i mean

534
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:59,039
i was thinking of hey what what is

535
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:00,000
actually going to come out because

536
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,360
there's going to be another

537
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:04,000
unclassified report in october but what

538
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,200
kind of information are we going to

539
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,280
learn right they're a mechanism to get

540
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,000
videos out officially because so far

541
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,799
um the dod of their own accordance have

542
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,760
not

543
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,760
released their own footage they've only

544
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,919
done it after the fact

545
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,600
that the leaked versions have come out

546
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,159
so what is the intent of

547
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,440
congress

548
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,440
to actually be transparent on this topic

549
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,280
and force through information the public

550
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,960
can um

551
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,520
can can read and engage with i mean

552
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,280
that's the important thing but also i'd

553
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,320
like to add as well i think is more um

554
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,240
journalists much better than me people

555
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
the national journals the big ones um

556
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,799
who work in washington the more they

557
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,640
start asking questions the more source

558
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,960
is going to come to them

559
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,960
about aspects and i think once those

560
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,400
kinds of journalists get involved like

561
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,480
the lobby journalists who go into the

562
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,080
dod press conferences and the white

563
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,240
house press conferences once those start

564
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,919
becoming engaged with it once you start

565
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,679
seeing those things discussed in sunday

566
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,280
morning talk shows

567
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,880
that's when the pressure's really going

568
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,919
to grow

569
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,440
and it's going to become something

570
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,600
that's going to be widely

571
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,960
discussed not just on uh not just in the

572
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,919
kind of tabloid practice pose but within

573
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,679
kind of like the as we call it the broad

574
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,600
sheet press as well and you know the

575
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,360
politic the politicos that's when they

576
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,600
start talking about it more as well so

577
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,840
but i mean yeah

578
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,640
but

579
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,200
i'm not sure where it leads overall in

580
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,480
terms of what

581
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,080
congress

582
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,760
wants to get out of this in terms of

583
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,520
transparency i know that their number

584
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,080
one priority is basically protecting the

585
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,000
realm um in terms of protecting the

586
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,400
united states airspace that's probably

587
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,000
the number one priority right now and

588
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,240
also there's probably health concerns

589
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,400
um i always get offended when they play

590
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:48,799
the x-files music before the shows now

591
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,830
potentially incidents involving air

592
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,240
crews you know they're doing this

593
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,760
because they love their nation they're

594
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:01,919
putting their lives at risk and they may

595
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,120
be getting radiation um

596
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,720
burns or

597
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:08,799
microwave um

598
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,919
kind of related health conditions

599
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,400
because of what's happening and it could

600
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,600
really really

601
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,840
you know harm their health and i just

602
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,120
think to myself you know they could be

603
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,520
sitting in a hospital bed right now

604
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,679
really suffering from the impact of what

605
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,080
they've encountered sure and these news

606
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,760
shows just make fun of it like it never

607
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,200
happened and then they're crazy and yeah

608
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,640
how who knows how they feel about the

609
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,640
dod they're covering it up at the same

610
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,600
time stay quiet sign this you know the

611
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:39,360
disclosure agreement i don't know it's

612
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,159
it

613
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,919
must be pretty frustrating and sad for

614
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,240
them their families yeah

615
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,440
absolutely um a lot of people

616
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,279
uh along those lines you know i think

617
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,039
we're all we're all waiting for better

618
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,440
video footage and at the same time many

619
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,760
people with security clearances indicate

620
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,240
that some of the most convincing data is

621
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,440
not in cockpit videos um but in other

622
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,600
advanced and typically classified forms

623
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,240
of surveillance and as as you just

624
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,760
mentioned christopher there are also

625
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,240
many hints around in the air of

626
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,720
physiological reference records of

627
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,200
closer contact cases and and the side

628
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,600
effects of that um do you think does the

629
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,360
public need to have a better working

630
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,080
understanding of radar and other data

631
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,159
collection to bring this issue further

632
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,120
downfield does it even seem possible for

633
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,440
there to be a public education

634
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,559
initiative given the secrecy that uh the

635
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,440
that the military needs to employ with

636
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,440
sources and methods

637
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,720
yeah i think it's

638
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:40,320
widely known that there's actually

639
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,640
overcast classification in terms of um

640
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,960
what capabilities the united states have

641
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,640
in terms of sensor technologies whether

642
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,640
that's satellite data and other such

643
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,840
things

644
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,600
i think there is provision within the

645
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,880
ndaa from my understanding to actually

646
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,200
review those classifications in terms of

647
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,600
space force i mean one of the reasons

648
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,679
obviously is to say you know every week

649
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,120
it seems china's coming out with a new

650
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,720
technology saying look what we can do in

651
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,600
space

652
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,760
and the us like military officers are

653
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,799
like

654
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,840
finally they knew what we could do um

655
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,279
but they can't tell them because of

656
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,960
overclassification so i think the plan

657
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,480
is to kind of like declassify some of

658
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,240
that information and being like being

659
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,480
like look china this is what we can do

660
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,799
so you've got to be careful um out in

661
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,159
space before you think about doing

662
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,600
something stupid again because this is

663
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,440
what we can do this is our capability

664
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,080
look we've been in space since the 19

665
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,279
1960s yeah you're just newcomers look

666
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,039
what we can do i mean i think there's

667
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,039
something about that but also that opens

668
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,480
the door as well potentially because if

669
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,400
you remember john radcliffe when he

670
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,000
appeared on fox news he was talking

671
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,279
about satellite

672
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,679
um data so that opens the door

673
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,080
potentially to actually um

674
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,760
declassifying that and

675
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,279
hopefully being in a position where we

676
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,600
can where we can see some of that clear

677
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,000
kind of like satellite um data which

678
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,120
shows potential uaps but yeah i think um

679
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,520
i think radar systems i mean

680
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,400
it's

681
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,080
such a difficult time already with the

682
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,480
fleur footage where people could just

683
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,640
kind of interpret it whichever they want

684
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,799
whichever way they want and you know

685
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,559
armchair people who like do it like mick

686
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,640
west basically has no

687
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,679
kind of

688
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,080
experience of working with these systems

689
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,200
um

690
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,960
and i feel that when you start getting

691
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,360
into uh like radar and things like that

692
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,120
that's gonna kind of like muddy the

693
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,440
waters even more but i think that

694
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,120
serious people were thinking about this

695
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,039
i think it would be useful to kind of

696
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,960
educate them on it so they can actually

697
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,200
get a real discussion going um and i

698
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,919
think it could um further the debate as

699
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,120
well um and in terms of physiological um

700
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,840
impact i think hopefully you know once

701
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,799
we

702
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,559
do hear more about the incidents which

703
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,440
will be investigated within the

704
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,520
new uap office

705
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,200
hopefully that stuff comes up in the

706
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,039
report in october

707
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,880
because that's one of their like

708
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:02,000
mandates that's what they have to do

709
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,279
they have to start looking into the

710
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,440
theological impact so hopefully there

711
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,600
will be something within that report

712
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,440
which kind of goes into some detail

713
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,279
about what's going on and hopefully in

714
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,279
turn maybe some people start coming out

715
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,120
and speaking out about their experiences

716
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,960
as well i think that's something that we

717
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,120
should look for this year people coming

718
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,720
out and talking about their experiences

719
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,039
more i've got a story coming up she's

720
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,120
going to come out in the next few weeks

721
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,159
which is

722
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,919
along those lines of someone finally

723
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,200
coming out saying look this is what i

724
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,919
saw um more people need to speak out

725
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,080
like me and hopefully we can really

726
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,440
really create an atmosphere that's

727
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,159
conducive to people kind of um

728
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,520
you know coming out there and saying

729
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
look these things are real

730
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,880
and for them to do so in a safe

731
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,559
environment where they won't feel judged

732
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,840
where they won't

733
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,679
feel that they're being laughed at and i

734
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:49,200
think we're getting there now i really

735
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,159
do

736
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,559
yeah i agreed

737
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:54,240
um and one

738
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,669
we try to rotate you know so nobody hugs

739
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,120
the mic or anything

740
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,679
uh but um

741
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,880
you know oh

742
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,679
you know

743
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:10,159
corvallis videos this year right

744
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:10,960
um

745
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,559
and nap's photos that came up those were

746
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,559
a pretty big deal when they came up uh

747
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,240
corvell was on a lot of different news

748
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,799
channels um the pyramids

749
00:29:26,290 --> 00:29:23,520
um and then the floaty ball that that

750
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,300
went down in the water um

751
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:28,000
[Music]

752
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,039
those

753
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,120
but you make a good point along with the

754
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,720
original navy videos and everything

755
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,480
everyone just kind of

756
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,080
you know there's no

757
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,240
it's as if they didn't exist because

758
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,480
people are still filling in the blanks

759
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:43,520
with what they want the blanks to be

760
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:44,399
you know

761
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,080
so and it's interesting that that didn't

762
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,640
you know change anything so does so to

763
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:52,840
speak really

764
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,000
um so

765
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,840
how much of an effect do you think that

766
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,559
media and those releases had this year

767
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,240
um and

768
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:04,240
you know in a positive or negative way

769
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,039
and

770
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,720
do you think that would be

771
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,840
a wise way to continue

772
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,840
you know um having things like that

773
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,000
released or not

774
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,760
i think it's more interest i mean there

775
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,600
are things called media values you know

776
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:19,760
if you have a good photo if it's

777
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,990
there's certain things that go into it

778
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,919
like if it's a uap story with just like

779
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,840
a witness testimony it's not going to

780
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,679
have nearly impact that you would have

781
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,200
if you had imagery

782
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,360
um footage and things like that so i

783
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,880
mean that certainly helps it captures

784
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,200
people's people's attention and i like

785
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,039
to think that it had some kind of

786
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,840
traction getting us to the 60 minutes

787
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,320
um segment as well and i'm hoping that

788
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,000
we have more of that too so i think

789
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,000
things like this they certainly do

790
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,399
capture people's attention that may have

791
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,200
not been interested otherwise so i think

792
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,960
i think they certainly do have an impact

793
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,799
and um

794
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,120
yeah i think there were some people who

795
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,200
criticized corbell

796
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,799
uh for releasing it being complete

797
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,480
information but

798
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,519
i think also they tend to forget that

799
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,720
this was

800
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,279
i think the footage itself was

801
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,120
unclassified

802
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,840
but the report that it was contained in

803
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,159
or the system that was contained on was

804
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,600
classified

805
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:23,200
so he was in quite a tricky information

806
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,399
but he managed to get as much

807
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,840
information out there

808
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,840
as he could and also he said to people

809
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,679
he said to people look these are the

810
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,240
coordinates this is what happens this is

811
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,600
what happened

812
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,960
this was the date

813
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,360
go and look at the go and search for the

814
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,519
um the deck logs

815
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,519
ask the questions i've given you the

816
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,039
information now go out there and

817
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,480
research and

818
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,519
engage the us navy and dod on this so i

819
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,679
mean that's what he did and i think it

820
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,559
worked

821
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,919
before i passed the buck here i just

822
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,640
want to say like i think people need to

823
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,000
you know me included when that first

824
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,399
came up but i think it'd be wise for us

825
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,320
to realize that once stuff comes out

826
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,000
like that that it's not

827
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,440
uh always necessarily about trying to

828
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,840
give us directly something that proves

829
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,240
the existence of a non-human entity

830
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,080
sometimes like you nailed it earlier

831
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,159
like uh the release of that puts a

832
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,039
spotlight on the issue at hand it can

833
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,519
help things move forward uh whether

834
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,600
politically or socially and i think a

835
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,600
lot of the times that point is missed so

836
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,710
yeah completely agreed and along those

837
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,240
lines um

838
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,559
it's been a big year for the phenomenon

839
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:33,760
in terms of

840
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:38,000
know there's the

841
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,799
the

842
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,760
kind of

843
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,960
public

844
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:43,360
dumping of information like that or

845
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,799
leaks etc as corbel did but you know in

846
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,320
a wider way

847
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,159
this spring we had the second season of

848
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:52,720
the secretive skinwalker ranch in june

849
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,159
fox aired tmz investigates ufos the

850
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,200
pentagon proof right um with corbell and

851
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,960
knapp and others

852
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,600
in july jj abrams released a four-part

853
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,399
docu-series on showtime called ufo that

854
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,880
was received with notably mixed reviews

855
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,799
by many people in our field

856
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,799
other shows have popped up as well

857
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,440
what do you both make of the increase of

858
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,519
shows like this in the past year

859
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,039
do you think that they've been helpful

860
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:21,600
are there reasons to be cautious with

861
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,470
i'll let you go first show

862
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,909
oh you're muted

863
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,360
yup you're muted

864
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:35,600
there we go you go first chris

865
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,230
i didn't mean for it to be a total hot

866
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,399
potato i apologize

867
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,399
for that

868
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:51,600
it's um

869
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,509
i think it was a mixture as you said it

870
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,039
was a mixed bag there were some shows

871
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:01,200
very very good and moved conversation

872
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,039
forwards um others not so like the um jj

873
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:08,639
abrahams one um abrams um ufo but i

874
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,599
think the the real clincher was the um

875
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,280
work that gary schwartz did i think that

876
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,280
was really really good um and the 60

877
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,520
minutes one i think

878
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,359
i i i think that because the subject is

879
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,359
so stigmatized

880
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,599
if it comes out on a professional news

881
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,440
show and it's done the right way like 60

882
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,560
minutes

883
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,639
that's the only way you can

884
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,480
do it properly without getting the

885
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,639
giggles you have serious news

886
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,639
broadcasters on there who've got years

887
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,399
of experience

888
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,919
talk seriously about everything um

889
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,399
and they can be trusted as well because

890
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,760
you know they're on 60 minutes look at

891
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,919
ross called hard for instance he's on 60

892
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,599
minutes australia because he's trusted

893
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,760
well-known journalist documentary was

894
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,560
great

895
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,639
yeah and look so look we've got a

896
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,480
situation in australia

897
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,800
um and the u.s with the public's who've

898
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,760
watched

899
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,400
shows news shows that they trust

900
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,560
and they know are serious from serious

901
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,520
people

902
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,760
and they're getting information which is

903
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,760
unbelievable but it's presented in such

904
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,160
a way that it has to be considered

905
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,160
um and they're not coming to conclusions

906
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,320
saying is aliens or anything like that

907
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,839
they're just um

908
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,680
they're just playing the game and saying

909
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,920
well actually if it's um

910
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,520
you know it's not ours

911
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,240
so

912
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,800
if it's russian or it's chinese that's a

913
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,200
huge story if it's something else other

914
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,320
than chinese or russian then it's a huge

915
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,320
story so either way i mean

916
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,320
it's it's really big and actually i

917
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,920
think there's a third way even if it was

918
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,000
us technology that's a huge story as

919
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,200
well

920
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,240
judging by the capabilities so i think i

921
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,839
think those shows really really make a

922
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,320
difference i'm just hoping that

923
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,240
in the next few months

924
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,560
or years perhaps we have the same

925
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,960
situation in my country as well

926
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,839
yeah

927
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,320
well you know i've heard it i forget who

928
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,079
i heard it from but

929
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,920
um it was something along the lines

930
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,119
where uh

931
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,040
you know the world kind of for better

932
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,520
for worse follows the lead of

933
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,720
the us is in a lot of things this may be

934
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,280
one of them um

935
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,040
i thought you

936
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,960
you know

937
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,880
i appreciate more investigative

938
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,200
journalism pieces with people that take

939
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,680
the topic seriously and don't want to

940
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,240
screw it up you know like ross coldheart

941
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,560
or 60 minutes who just by default takes

942
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
every piece they put together seriously

943
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,400
because that's what they do

944
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,680
but then

945
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,440
what you know and i know there's mixed

946
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,720
reviews about it but i don't really

947
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,320
appreciate too much when people don't

948
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,040
know a whole lot about the topic and try

949
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:42,800
to put out like a blockbuster

950
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,160
docu-series on it because

951
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,680
it's just

952
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,680
it can have as much

953
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,800
harm to it as as good

954
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,560
so to speak you know

955
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,880
um not exactly the right story is always

956
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,119
being told for me for instance i feel

957
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,480
like sometimes we get lost in the last

958
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,560
few years of this for instance if these

959
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,240
things wound up being

960
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,359
um drones from another country or own

961
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,800
technology yes big story either way but

962
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,760
you know that doesn't negate

963
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,599
you know the past

964
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,920
70 plus years

965
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,359
of

966
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,320
real stuff going on you know like

967
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,480
whatever that is okay

968
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,640
but there were things doing the same

969
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,359
stuff being reported the same way

970
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,680
via official government documents and

971
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,520
i've looked at

972
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,119
thousands of them

973
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,000
you know since 1947

974
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,400
so i've got your article up right now

975
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,720
i've got your article up i mean what

976
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,720
what really illustrated the article that

977
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,839
you did for me on liberation times is

978
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,920
that these things are not new i mean

979
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,200
we've got number one 20 of uap sightings

980
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,800
left unexplained and that came out

981
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:59,200
officially from the um from the u.s air

982
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,160
force

983
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,839
i mean that was

984
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,640
so so that that was something i mean

985
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,720
obviously now later or not i just found

986
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,920
one that pretty much said 40 percent

987
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,800
that's incredible

988
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:15,520
and i mean that i i suppose that gets us

989
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,839
close to the

990
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,520
143 144 cases

991
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,040
in more primary

992
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,880
assessment you know and and then we've

993
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,280
got ufos you excessive ap observe

994
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,200
visually and on radar

995
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,800
yeah and there's all these debates

996
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,079
happening at the time that we looked

997
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,720
through wasn't there shawn about um them

998
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,240
saying that we have to secure our air

999
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,000
ranges because they're being seen on the

1000
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,520
air ranges so

1001
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,079
it made me laugh that you had the hicks

1002
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,320
mama which came out after the primaries

1003
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,960
report say look we need to

1004
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,880
we need to make sure that steps being

1005
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,240
taken to secure our area just

1006
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,440
you've had like 70 years of

1007
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,200
documentation

1008
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,839
the us airport still can't go together

1009
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,160
after that amount of time like what

1010
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,960
now yeah good point

1011
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,119
great point

1012
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,280
yeah i think i mean one thing along

1013
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,760
those lines is that just earlier today i

1014
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,880
saw uh you retweeted christopher um this

1015
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,599
new article in the hill

1016
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,000
um called ufos the channel islands and

1017
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,440
the navy's drone swarm mystery and

1018
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,400
kind of amazingly in it i was i was

1019
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
i was pretty floored when i got to the

1020
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,800
part about halfway through the article

1021
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,640
where it mentioned

1022
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:32,320
kelly johnson's

1023
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,200
uh

1024
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,200
sighting from the channel from around

1025
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,720
the channel islands from back in 1953.

1026
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,480
so you know i i think that that's

1027
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,960
amazing and i feel like there's

1028
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,040
you know partially just because of the

1029
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,960
grassroots work that

1030
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:48,960
people like the both of you are doing

1031
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,000
you know and partially from because of

1032
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,800
ross's work and his and his book and

1033
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,680
and uh his work with uh with australian

1034
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,960
news television that 16 minutes piece uh

1035
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,880
leslie kane's new yorker profile where

1036
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,240
she kind of did uh where she helped um

1037
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,319
gideon whatever his name was like do a

1038
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:09,760
kind of blow blind

1039
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,040
blow by blow um of the last kind of 60

1040
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,760
years from way back in the kehoe days it

1041
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,400
seems like as as

1042
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,560
it seems like this past year has been

1043
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:23,760
absolutely incredible if nothing else um

1044
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:27,359
just in terms of getting some mainstream

1045
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,400
press

1046
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,440
up to speed with the the the context of

1047
00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:33,680
these historical cases uh do you think

1048
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,240
that there'll be that there'll be more

1049
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:37,760
contextualization like that coming up in

1050
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,109
so in terms of the history and kind of

1051
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:44,960
like what's going on before

1052
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:49,750
i'm hoping so

1053
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,000
really good piece as well didn't he um

1054
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,240
we looked some from the history

1055
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,160
history regarding

1056
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,720
the topic and um i think one of them

1057
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,040
related to one of the ships in the

1058
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,800
caribbean that had its own kind of like

1059
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,480
spotting that you you

1060
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,520
have identified as well sean um i think

1061
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,520
we'll get more con

1062
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,920
texture in terms of what's gone on

1063
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,319
before as more people come forward i

1064
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,319
mean you had the famous roswell death

1065
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,680
bed confessions didn't you so i think

1066
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,640
actually as the stigma wanes

1067
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,240
i think

1068
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,520
and those witnesses become less fearful

1069
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,000
about the elements within the dod

1070
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,040
that seem now to be on the back foot

1071
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,680
perhaps we will see some more kind of um

1072
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,839
more witnesses historical witnesses come

1073
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:40,560
out

1074
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,359
happening specifically in relation to

1075
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,440
nuclear weapons because i think that's

1076
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,280
one really really important kind of

1077
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:51,040
elements of this story the nuclear

1078
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,160
weapons

1079
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,000
um connection

1080
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,760
um and i'll have some more news

1081
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,280
hopefully about that

1082
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:58,960
in the upcoming

1083
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,599
weeks but we need more people to come

1084
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,560
forward about that not breaking the ndas

1085
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,400
um or their roads or anything like that

1086
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:08,079
but coming out just saying look we need

1087
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,520
to have a conversation about this

1088
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,760
because if nuclear weapons are being

1089
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,839
um shut down

1090
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,680
that's and it's been happening for

1091
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,520
decades which if you listen to robert

1092
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,319
salas and other witnesses has occurred

1093
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,680
that's something that

1094
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,359
needs to be addressed what are we going

1095
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,960
to do about it

1096
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:27,119
i mean if we don't know what

1097
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,839
if there is

1098
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,680
um because we know it's a threat

1099
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,280
potentially but

1100
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,079
we don't know if it's hostile intent

1101
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:38,720
for sure yet so

1102
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:42,240
until we know that this is a really big

1103
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,119
big

1104
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,720
thing to discuss and

1105
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,240
i think probably

1106
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,960
behind closed doors in congress senators

1107
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,160
who are just learning about these

1108
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,480
incidents for the first time

1109
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,319
are having serious discussions thinking

1110
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,480
oh my gosh what do we do if these

1111
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,800
alleged events are occurring

1112
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,040
yeah and at one point is it just a

1113
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,480
complete

1114
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,560
ball drop from like christopher we were

1115
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,000
just talking about that article and

1116
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,680
another piece of that was these things

1117
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,520
buzzing around strategic

1118
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,520
bases and

1119
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,400
you know nuclear facilities or whatever

1120
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:16,720
um i'm reading one about oak ridge right

1121
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,880
now 1950 um like

1122
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:22,160
you know

1123
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,839
maybe a part of the the secrecy is

1124
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,400
you know having to own up to it is also

1125
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,440
having to own up to the massive failure

1126
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:35,040
over the decades

1127
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,240
you know

1128
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,920
and maybe that would be a bit too

1129
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:39,440
embarrassing

1130
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:40,400
perhaps

1131
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,400
um but that's just a thought

1132
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,160
but i think he did nail it on the head

1133
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,720
when you said you know a threat but not

1134
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,800
necessarily with hostile intent we don't

1135
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,920
know yet

1136
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,119
um

1137
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,079
and i would say that's

1138
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,240
you know a very accurate statement you

1139
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,400
know the more planes we have the more we

1140
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,280
utilize space

1141
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,960
the more we utilize things like the

1142
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:07,520
electromagnetic spectrum

1143
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,640
um the more

1144
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,920
you know

1145
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,240
it becomes a threat

1146
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,319
you know whether it has hostile intent

1147
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:18,079
or not because we're intermingling in

1148
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:20,839
the same area more often you know what i

1149
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:23,680
mean so that's kind of one thing i think

1150
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,960
of um because space to me i mean there's

1151
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:29,200
there's like a a

1152
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,800
a cold war going on basically with space

1153
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,240
you know in in

1154
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:38,240
satellites and all that right now um

1155
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,200
and

1156
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,119
you know if we thought

1157
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,520
that these were non-human entities that

1158
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,920
were pissed about nuclear weapons

1159
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,520
wait till you see how they act about

1160
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:52,470
poisoning space

1161
00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:00,309
oh uh me or christopher

1162
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,550
i'm just talking shop at this point

1163
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,480
oh no

1164
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,560
no i think you got a really good point

1165
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,079
and um

1166
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,680
i mean i'd also kind of look at

1167
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,520
corbell's

1168
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,920
stories as well and that's kind of like

1169
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,400
stories on shadow people

1170
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,200
around u.s nuclear air bases

1171
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,040
that's really strange i mean like this

1172
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,280
is something i can't wrap my head around

1173
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,960
when i try to figure this whole thing

1174
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,079
out i mean

1175
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,319
on the one hand you have like the human

1176
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,240
looking species

1177
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,000
um which appeared in italy with the

1178
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,079
friendship group case

1179
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,480
in the early 60s

1180
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,720
um then you have like nordic looking

1181
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,160
people as well

1182
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,319
you have the greys small grays tall

1183
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,599
grays

1184
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,640
the orbs the shadow looking people

1185
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,240
put the insect toys and all these like

1186
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,319
different things like what is it are we

1187
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,119
talking about um a number of different

1188
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,119
kind of like races or something like

1189
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,960
that visiting the earth

1190
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,880
or are we talking about something that's

1191
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,560
able to project itself

1192
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,640
um and use

1193
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,319
kind of like fall us

1194
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,240
by using consciousness and hence that's

1195
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,520
why everyone's so obsessed about

1196
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,760
consciousness kind of

1197
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,319
i don't know i really don't know but i

1198
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,400
found it quite interesting um the other

1199
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:17,440
day i mean i think um john greenwald was

1200
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,440
focusing on um a post on reddit and he

1201
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,119
was just like honing in on just like

1202
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,640
inaccuracies and stuff like that in

1203
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,880
terms of the production of unidentified

1204
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,280
it's like that it always happens on

1205
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,040
television shows you know like i looked

1206
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:33,359
at the italian case for instance which

1207
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,400
they were discussing um i spoke to paulo

1208
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,480
who's was involved with the group who

1209
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,280
met with ttsa in that meeting i mean he

1210
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,359
cleared up with me like that helicopter

1211
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,160
that they claimed was fired upon by a

1212
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
ufo that wasn't that didn't happen like

1213
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,920
the helicopter first it wasn't a

1214
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,240
military helicopter it had nothing its

1215
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,920
presence that had nothing to do with

1216
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,920
like the fires that were raging around

1217
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,440
sicily at the time

1218
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,040
and it was just like the flight crew

1219
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,880
were on there kind of like flight path

1220
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,319
and all of a sudden they heard a big

1221
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,200
jobs and felt something like oh gosh we

1222
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:06,720
better land so they landed and they

1223
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,319
discovered um that their uh

1224
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,079
their helicopter had been

1225
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,160
um been damaged

1226
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,319
and then i think a few days or weeks

1227
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
afterwards someone

1228
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,000
showed them the

1229
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:21,520
um the image

1230
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,040
of the ufo training behind it so i mean

1231
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,640
stuff like that happens all the time

1232
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,400
sorry i'm digressing here but i just

1233
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,480
want to make that clear because there is

1234
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,880
a bit of a gap between

1235
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,520
you know production and editing and what

1236
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,280
the beliefs are of those who are

1237
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,720
actually doing the investigations like

1238
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,240
lou

1239
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,160
but the thing they missed out well the

1240
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:44,079
thing that john green everyone else

1241
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,359
missed out not everyone there was a few

1242
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,440
people who mentioned it was the fact

1243
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,119
that during this meeting with this guy

1244
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,880
he kind of came forward and ready to say

1245
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:52,880
that he was there during a meeting that

1246
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,640
was documented in identified between lou

1247
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,160
um tom

1248
00:48:01,270 --> 00:48:00,240
and some other guys i think he claimed

1249
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,280
it was like a job interview or something

1250
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,040
like that but he claimed something that

1251
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,440
like tom delonge said that there's

1252
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,720
some kind of conflict situation between

1253
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,200
an entity which is here on earth

1254
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:14,000
and um something else which is on the

1255
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:15,040
moon

1256
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,000
and

1257
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,319
he was like it's a cold war situation

1258
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,760
and that really made me think because i

1259
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,440
remember the joe rogan show when tom

1260
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,160
delonge said that you know it's like us

1261
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,160
being in syria right now and looking up

1262
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,319
to the sky thinking oh what's that thing

1263
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,720
it's just one thing but in actual fact

1264
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,079
you know there could be

1265
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,160
fighter jets from france fighter chips

1266
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,480
in russia the americans are probably

1267
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,680
there and there's lots of different

1268
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,000
interests it's not just one or the other

1269
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,280
so that kind of like really made me

1270
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,880
think i'm not saying it's you know

1271
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,960
obviously true or anything like that but

1272
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,240
i like to

1273
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,079
have a little kind of like map in my

1274
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,800
head about where the dots are all

1275
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,119
connecting and stuff like that just

1276
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,920
for internal purposes not that it will

1277
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,400
feature on liberation times but i just

1278
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,319
find it interesting

1279
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,319
oh yeah if you're not if you don't stay

1280
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,040
open you may miss the truth

1281
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,119
absolutely and along those lines from

1282
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,640
what you're saying christopher you know

1283
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:10,880
it was it was interesting when lou

1284
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,079
elizondo earlier this year um

1285
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,119
kind of tipped his hat towards uh an old

1286
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:19,280
sci-fi novella called the chains of the

1287
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,079
sea

1288
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,559
um that basically uh

1289
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,520
kind of

1290
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,079
was a was a fictional version of a

1291
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:28,319
scenario very much like that where we're

1292
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:29,280
kind of

1293
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,200
the the hapless middlemen between two

1294
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,200
more advanced forms of intelligence that

1295
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,720
are dealing with each other on both

1296
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,000
sides right

1297
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,000
um and so uh

1298
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,160
you know that would be quite the reality

1299
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,400
sandwich to find ourselves in

1300
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:45,520
um

1301
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,839
not sure

1302
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,760
like um because obviously you guys got

1303
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,960
quite a lot of knowledge when it comes

1304
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,880
to this have you heard anything about

1305
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,760
like incidents before involving swarms

1306
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,359
so people like hear a swarm in their

1307
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:01,040
head i saw

1308
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,240
some testimony the other day from

1309
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,839
someone on limits i think in the early

1310
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,640
90s saying that he had a uap encounter

1311
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,720
and firstly he had something that

1312
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,359
sounded like a swarm in his head before

1313
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,200
something i think either came into the

1314
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,960
ocean or went out of the ocean or

1315
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,880
something along those lines but

1316
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,400
if you look in the secret machine's

1317
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,520
books

1318
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,680
the word swarm appears quite a lot of

1319
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,880
the time but i'm just wondering if you

1320
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,640
guys have any knowledge on

1321
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,119
okay like that

1322
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,880
sure well i mean yeah i mean i know

1323
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,559
plenty of incidences where there's

1324
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,480
multiple um

1325
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,160
you know objects definitely um but you

1326
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,839
also said something about swarm in your

1327
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,720
mind swarm in your brain or something

1328
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,760
um i'm not sure what you mean there i

1329
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,359
guess i suppose

1330
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,760
um but from all the files and documents

1331
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,520
that i read which unfortunately right

1332
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,480
now has been my only literature

1333
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,960
i don't hear much too much about

1334
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,520
um things that are too um high

1335
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,760
strangeness value

1336
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,200
um

1337
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,880
unfortunately but

1338
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,880
i'm starting to read some fbi docs and

1339
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,839
that's changing a little bit

1340
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,640
so

1341
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,440
uh

1342
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,240
but

1343
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,680
yeah so i guess that's all i would have

1344
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,720
to say there but um yeah there's been

1345
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,880
you know one document that sticks out to

1346
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,800
me that i've that i've read and posted

1347
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,040
on my twitter a while ago was uh

1348
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,599
regarding locust drone swords

1349
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,280
um and you noticed that that was

1350
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,520
mentioned in you know uh one of

1351
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,680
greenwald's releases in

1352
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:31,680
the email or whatever

1353
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,119
and it was a i think it was a school

1354
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,480
like an air college paper or something

1355
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:40,880
and how they looked at swarms

1356
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,240
and how they called swarms a phenomena a

1357
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,920
natural phenomena

1358
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,839
you know and because

1359
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,640
it's something that the animals here and

1360
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,839
every

1361
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,760
living being basically

1362
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,559
has an innate instinct to do in in

1363
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,640
certain aspects you know whether we're

1364
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,760
swarming a fire to put it out or ants

1365
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,480
are

1366
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,319
swarming something to get something done

1367
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,520
or locust

1368
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,240
swarms you know and their drones that

1369
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,400
they were working on you know was in

1370
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,119
reference to all of this stuff you know

1371
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:15,040
and they have actually had

1372
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,079
tested

1373
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,160
you know i think it was up to like 25 or

1374
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,240
50 of these things once and their next

1375
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,319
goal was up to 100

1376
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,480
um but you know there's

1377
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,240
in doing that kind of research you also

1378
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,760
find out a lot of things like one of the

1379
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,920
biggest issues with them is collision

1380
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,800
avoidance technology you know and being

1381
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,680
able to make that work for long enough

1382
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,960
you know

1383
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,720
um so

1384
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,440
you know swarming is

1385
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,160
you know a huge part of

1386
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,040
uh military you know

1387
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,440
philosophy basically

1388
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,520
yeah and at the same and also with

1389
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:54,319
contact cases you know there's also the

1390
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:55,200
um

1391
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:00,559
before an event

1392
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,640
um a witness um will often report

1393
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,599
hearing a certain tone in their ears

1394
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:09,599
um sometimes it's a it's sometimes it's

1395
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,119
a low rolling tone that seems to exist

1396
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,960
almost like a sub-base frequency where

1397
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,480
you can't tell where the direction's

1398
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,480
from sometimes it's a high-pitched tone

1399
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,480
in the ears you know sometimes it's a

1400
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,520
more static white noise kind of aspect

1401
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,040
and sometimes that can even be

1402
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,520
accompanied by flashes but more

1403
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:29,760
controversially along those lines

1404
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,359
there's also the aspect of

1405
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,599
you know um sometimes there's some

1406
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,440
seemingly some kind of filter that goes

1407
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,359
down where that kind of

1408
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,160
that off oft reported telepathic aspect

1409
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,760
that comes in and some kind of filter

1410
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,920
comes down and one thing that gets

1411
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,920
reported is is kind of like getting a

1412
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,079
ping that's like you know hey go outside

1413
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,359
and look up you know that kind of

1414
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,599
situation and there's so many reports of

1415
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,760
that but at the same time there's also

1416
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,680
reports where that

1417
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,359
in the act of something like that

1418
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,640
happening

1419
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:03,440
people seem to have more permeability

1420
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:04,160
with

1421
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,319
maybe even people around them and if

1422
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,880
that's the case uh especially if someone

1423
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,559
might not be used to something like that

1424
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,720
because who is really um i could

1425
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,400
understand that that you know that might

1426
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,319
sound like you know star trek the board

1427
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,680
collective or something like that

1428
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,680
hearing a lot of voices not knowing

1429
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:25,040
where they're from and that that could

1430
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,720
be even described in kind of a

1431
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,200
swarm-like way or some kind of point of

1432
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,200
overwhelm as well which is an

1433
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,119
interesting thing

1434
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,680
let me ask you this jay um

1435
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:36,559
i

1436
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,400
run across two cases now where

1437
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,319
the object comes

1438
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,480
you know into sight or whatever

1439
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,359
and a couple witnesses that are within

1440
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,920
the object you know within

1441
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,640
you know it's relatively close not very

1442
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,720
far away you know

1443
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,839
um

1444
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,520
but they can't they go deaf like they

1445
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,240
can't hear each other talking at all it

1446
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,160
like goes completely silent but the

1447
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,079
second they get in the car or in the

1448
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,160
house or something then it's all back to

1449
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,520
normal

1450
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:10,799
oh absolutely that that

1451
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,240
that is a huge aspect and um that that's

1452
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,960
very very well reported um

1453
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,880
and there are even freakier aspects of

1454
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,040
that that when people sometimes feel

1455
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,640
that they're targeted or that they're

1456
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,119
being watched or something like that

1457
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,559
sound goes down

1458
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,280
um ambient noise disappears

1459
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,359
and some people even report that there's

1460
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,880
that they'll be if they're in a high

1461
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,880
traffic area or on a highway or things

1462
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,440
like that they see less traffic around

1463
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,359
them than they normally would

1464
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,240
which is incredibly bizarre but you know

1465
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,240
it gets in people into this hypothetical

1466
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,440
state where it's like is there some kind

1467
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,280
of targeting bubble

1468
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,680
put around people that might be kind of

1469
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,000
where you know it seems like science

1470
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,680
fiction but again we're talking about

1471
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:55,839
very advanced possibly very advanced

1472
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,640
technology you know are is is there some

1473
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,400
almost like a mouse cursor is there kind

1474
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,480
of a bubble being put around a target

1475
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,599
area that might be like shifting you

1476
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,400
um into some slightly different for lack

1477
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,880
of a better term frequency that might

1478
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,680
make you more able to be apprehended or

1479
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:16,480
or or targeted in some fashion you know

1480
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,440
and

1481
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,480
it would seem if that were the case like

1482
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,559
i'm maybe there would be auditory

1483
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,160
effects and other things like that you

1484
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,000
know right when you're dealing with that

1485
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,400
the high sophistication of things

1486
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,319
you don't really necessarily know what

1487
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,920
other

1488
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,440
i don't want to say repercussions or

1489
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,440
side effects could be possibly even

1490
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,280
maybe it could not even be an intent

1491
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,200
thing that's just like when we do this

1492
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:41,440
this happens

1493
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,480
you know

1494
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,599
interesting

1495
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,040
a hundred percent

1496
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:46,000
um

1497
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:47,119
uh

1498
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,359
christopher mentioned italy before um do

1499
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,880
you mind if i go with follow-up about

1500
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,240
that or is there something that you'd

1501
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,480
like to mention sean um i'd like to

1502
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,359
mention that i'll be right back in like

1503
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,119
okay two minutes

1504
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,680
okay sure and you guys just kill it

1505
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,520
don't blow this

1506
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,079
yeah i'll work on it yep

1507
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,680
okay um christopher now for some

1508
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,040
for some people you mentioned you

1509
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,119
mentioned italy a bit ago

1510
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,040
and i i was reading some of your pieces

1511
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,319
earlier uh today uh for ketchup and now

1512
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,079
for some people in our viewing audience

1513
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,240
that may be using this episode as a kind

1514
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,000
of a year in review as a quick catch-up

1515
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,359
with recent events

1516
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,920
how is it that an incredibly small

1517
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:30,960
country

1518
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,440
enclosed by italy an incredibly small

1519
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,119
country like san marino with a

1520
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,319
population of roughly 34 000 people what

1521
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,160
has been happening behind the scenes

1522
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:42,880
there and do we anticipate san marino

1523
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:46,559
possibly making waves in 2022

1524
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,520
so it's been 20 years in the making

1525
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,480
um uh roberto panotti

1526
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:54,400
um

1527
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,160
which also has

1528
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:02,559
basically this crossover between

1529
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,799
um penotti um paulo gudezi qudesi he's

1530
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,760
gonna kill me i got his name wrong again

1531
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:12,000
and isa um

1532
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,799
so

1533
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,640
what there is is that there's this

1534
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,280
crossover and um

1535
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:18,960
roberto penotti

1536
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,319
um has basically been doing kind of um

1537
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,319
yearly um

1538
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,079
conferences at san marino for the last

1539
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:28,559
20 years um he has a personal connection

1540
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,599
there but also he saw from very very um

1541
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,720
from the very very early days um that

1542
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,240
san marino would be a very very good

1543
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,559
country to put this forward before the

1544
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,079
u.n because it's a neutral country um

1545
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,160
it's very very small so it's not like

1546
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,520
you know it's china going into

1547
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,079
stakeholder or anything like that so i

1548
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:52,960
mean it's come about like that and um

1549
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:56,079
i mean with italy you've got like a

1550
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,200
year

1551
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:58,960
some ufo

1552
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:01,760
um advocates and researchers there who

1553
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,799
are incredibly incredibly high caliber

1554
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,119
you're talking about like i mean um

1555
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,960
former native officers

1556
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,440
um people who are currently serving

1557
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,960
within the

1558
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,760
foreign ministry in italy um and other

1559
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,319
high government and military positions

1560
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,599
um you know former kind of

1561
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:23,119
air force generals and people like that

1562
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,160
who kind of

1563
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,319
collaborate with them as well

1564
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,319
so you've got a really really impressive

1565
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,440
group of individuals there

1566
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,440
and also you've got some great cases

1567
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:35,440
there as well in terms of italy

1568
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,760
which i go through um but in terms of

1569
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,760
2022 in san marino yes absolutely this

1570
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,920
could be the year um

1571
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,680
so if you look at the language within

1572
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,280
the national defense

1573
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,920
defense authorization act 2022

1574
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:51,680
it states that

1575
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,440
the um the us uap office can actually

1576
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,839
coordinate with allies and partners

1577
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,880
um globally it doesn't necessarily say

1578
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,599
that they have to engage according with

1579
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,559
them um with their militaries

1580
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,200
so as we know the um the request of san

1581
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,200
marino has gone into their

1582
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:13,359
cultural

1583
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,520
portfolio is a ministry of culture

1584
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:19,119
that's where the request is gone for san

1585
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:20,240
marino

1586
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,119
so

1587
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,599
that allows the doors we opened for

1588
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,160
coordination between the us and

1589
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,400
people who are in that office and

1590
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,640
saborino and that specific place where

1591
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:32,240
the request has gone in

1592
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,440
so they can just give them a nudge

1593
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,599
saying that this is going somewhere now

1594
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,440
you know you don't have to worry about

1595
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,280
putting in this request and getting some

1596
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,480
pushback you'll feel free to do that so

1597
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:45,359
i feel that san marino may be encouraged

1598
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,319
to

1599
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,240
uh formally

1600
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,440
request

1601
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,680
these um

1602
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,240
the these kind of like summits that

1603
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,319
they're at the united nations regarding

1604
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:57,839
uap

1605
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,960
and i think that as well in my opinion i

1606
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,720
think that there are other countries

1607
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,480
that are on board i think china is on

1608
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,520
board

1609
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:06,799
100

1610
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,270
that is so bizarre to me

1611
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:27,280
i just don't get it

1612
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,520
um but we are nearing the hour mark is

1613
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,960
there

1614
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,119
any other questions or anything that you

1615
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:36,960
want to talk about or finish up with

1616
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,760
anything like that

1617
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,799
um

1618
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,160
i'd just like to thank you both for

1619
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,920
having me on um

1620
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,559
it's been such a pleasure and um

1621
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:48,960
yeah i mean um

1622
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,520
i would say that you know come and

1623
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:54,240
read the articles liberation times

1624
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,309
um we're going to have some really

1625
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,599
really good articles coming out in the

1626
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,880
next month or so which would be

1627
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,119
interesting hopefully cause the stir

1628
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:08,400
um yeah so um but yeah i mean if you

1629
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,280
want to

1630
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,920
um discuss anything else before the show

1631
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:14,319
um fiji closes feel free to i'm not

1632
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:17,119
gonna rush at all so

1633
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,079
um

1634
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,720
i interrupted you jay so i realized

1635
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,520
no i don't know i appreciate you you

1636
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,760
know taking the time to do this with us

1637
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,839
i i really do um

1638
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,920
i've considered you at this point you're

1639
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,440
a dear friend

1640
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,520
um and i hope it's not you know your

1641
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,000
only stop here and you'll be here

1642
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,640
again and again and again

1643
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,750
and i hope to you know write more pieces

1644
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,240
at some point for you um

1645
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,240
as you can see it just you know the last

1646
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,359
one took

1647
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:51,599
maybe almost a year's worth of research

1648
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,190
like that was a culmination of a lot

1649
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,680
there um so you know i don't know when

1650
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,359
i'd get to another one but i'd still

1651
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,359
love to and i just thank you and

1652
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:05,119
appreciate everything that you're doing

1653
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,200
for uh the ufo uap community um and

1654
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:11,599
bringing out um integrity-based

1655
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,359
uh news uh that matters so

1656
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,960
thank you very much

1657
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,280
yeah absolutely absolutely and i see

1658
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,720
that you're you've been growing your

1659
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,720
staff recently you've got a widening

1660
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,480
range of international

1661
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,760
contributors

1662
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:28,799
um what can we expect to see in 2022

1663
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,359
from yourself and the liberation times

1664
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:32,960
before i get out of here today

1665
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,599
um so what i wanted to do is firstly i

1666
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,760
want to give people who are the best

1667
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,920
thinkers in the ufo community the

1668
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:42,240
platform to actually get across

1669
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,760
their knowledge and their unique

1670
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,000
analysis of the situation

1671
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:50,000
um that's one of the first things and

1672
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,520
the second thing is actually doing the

1673
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,760
same with other countries as well

1674
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,760
um so we had two recent articles for

1675
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:57,839
example in

1676
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,079
like you know no one else is going to do

1677
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:01,680
those articles

1678
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,640
um

1679
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,079
and that's a real shame because we've

1680
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,079
got some we're blessed with some great

1681
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,280
experts in france such as baptiste who

1682
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,240
who wrote the articles um and provided

1683
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,400
all the sources and whatnot so

1684
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:16,960
that is something that i'm really really

1685
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,359
uh passionate about um i think also we

1686
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,280
can expect some articles about the

1687
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,440
vatican coming up in the next few

1688
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,839
weeks and months as

1689
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,799
well yeah i think we're going to stay on

1690
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,359
match with x3 um we've got a youtube

1691
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,920
channel she's starting um and what

1692
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,680
that's going to be i mean it's going to

1693
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,440
be like imagine the new york times we

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01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,880
have like um

1695
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,440
videos basically just educating

1696
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,039
short clips of

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01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,720
um

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01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,440
reaction stuff like new uap stories or

1699
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,440
topics that's been discussed in recent

1700
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,640
weeks we're gonna have that and that's

1701
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,480
gonna be led by gautam

1702
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:51,760
um

1703
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,079
who is known as think thinktank on

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01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,319
twitter who's um

1705
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,400
he's very very good he's got some great

1706
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,960
sources he's very very good at editing

1707
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,119
videos and what more and he's a great

1708
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,720
thinker as well he's wrote some articles

1709
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,079
for me they've been immensely popular on

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01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,000
the website so yeah we're going to go

1711
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,240
down that route as well but we want to

1712
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,920
do different we want to do things

1713
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,760
differently we don't want to go on

1714
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,839
ground that's already perfected

1715
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,799
in this

1716
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,799
kind of territory you know there's only

1717
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:20,799
going to be one one show which can go

1718
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,440
into the depth as your show can for

1719
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,559
instance

1720
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:27,119
um in terms of you know

1721
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,039
previous documents that have

1722
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,039
been released but no one's really kind

1723
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,319
of analyzed them before and

1724
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,079
contextualized them in terms of what

1725
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:36,160
we're seeing today things like that i

1726
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,520
mean everyone needs to bring their

1727
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,280
unique offering to the table to work

1728
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,280
together to get this topic of the

1729
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:44,000
limelight and educate people engage with

1730
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,039
people

1731
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:47,680
and um just move places forwards really

1732
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,680
and i think we're all doing our our part

1733
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,599
also just add one more thing um of

1734
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,599
course i think one of the things that we

1735
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:58,079
want to touch upon is we want to start

1736
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,440
getting into

1737
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,599
experience and territory obviously it

1738
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,400
needs to it needs to be done

1739
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,880
delicately i feel if we're going to

1740
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,559
maintain because we've got different

1741
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,319
audiences we've got one audience which

1742
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,760
is like there needs to be evidence of

1743
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,119
this and he's the evidence today all

1744
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,799
needs to be factual then we've got the

1745
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,880
other audience who's kind of open-minded

1746
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,400
it wants us to kind of like really um

1747
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,079
ignite some ideas that have been

1748
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:25,039
discussed previously um but i think we

1749
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:26,799
can discuss some cases in the peter

1750
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,359
corey case for instance

1751
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,200
where there was dna samples that were

1752
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,039
taken from

1753
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,640
the scene

1754
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,039
so the plan with that hopefully if we

1755
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:39,039
can

1756
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,839
get

1757
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,720
it done in the next few weeks is to have

1758
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,839
him on

1759
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:46,720
one of our shows with the

1760
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,599
dna analysis and the person who wrote

1761
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,440
the book as well about it just to kind

1762
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,720
of discuss that because i find that

1763
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:54,079
really interesting

1764
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:55,119
excellent

1765
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,119
sounds fantastic looking forward to this

1766
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,240
year with you yeah yeah

1767
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,280
well christopher j i had a amazing chat

1768
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,880
with you guys i can't wait to do it

1769
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,480
again

1770
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,440
and

1771
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,359
absolutely everyone in the chat thank

1772
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,119
you so much for being perfect and

1773
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:16,000
wonderful um and it's always such a

1774
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,119
great chat

1775
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,160
um always so positive and respectful

1776
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,200
and i really take pride in

1777
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:25,440
you all for doing that

1778
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,240
so

1779
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:28,880
thank you for that um

1780
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,559
yeah with that i will just say it

1781
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:36,710
thank you guys

1782
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:43,670
that was pretty good huh

1783
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,640
absolutely yeah

1784
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,319
man it's uh i mean i know it's like a

1785
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,319
mutual appreciation society in here but

1786
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:52,960
uh i i really enjoy that guy and i think

1787
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,440
i i really appreciate how much he's put

1788
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,520
into that site just over the last few

1789
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,520
months you know and your work there i

1790
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,520
mean it's it's really become a hub and

1791
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,440
and people are really paying attention

1792
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,200
to liberation times within the last few

1793
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,200
months yeah

1794
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,440
amazing amazing stuff that's one thing

1795
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,160
that um i don't really have that i'm

1796
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,680
more of a talker

1797
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,080
and uh you know do stuff like this

1798
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,159
versus like writing and all that like he

1799
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,799
helped tremendously with that with that

1800
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,279
article and putting the research that i

1801
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,799
had and everything together in an

1802
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,719
organized fashion to make more sense you

1803
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,880
know i couldn't have done that without

1804
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,239
him at all

1805
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:32,480
and it just goes to show you how

1806
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,159
amazing he is at what he does and um you

1807
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,759
know everything that he's putting out

1808
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,679
and why it's so good

1809
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,679
i i think i mean and you're pointing to

1810
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,440
something that's really important that i

1811
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,279
i think it's really under

1812
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:47,279
underappreciated in the field in general

1813
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,239
is just that you know out there in in in

1814
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,400
public with mainstream media

1815
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,199
um with mainstream you know book public

1816
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:57,440
book publications anything like that you

1817
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,400
know

1818
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:01,040
the importance of a good editor cannot

1819
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,040
be overstated you know and our field um

1820
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,600
there's often historically been you know

1821
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,600
partially because of a lack of resources

1822
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,839
there's been so little editorial

1823
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,080
oversight and and the kind of helping

1824
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,319
and shaping that can happen there and

1825
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,679
you know there are there are so many

1826
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:19,520
great writers so many great authors over

1827
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:20,960
the years that really credit their

1828
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,679
editors as helping to get them to that

1829
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,600
next level and be what they could really

1830
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,319
be and getting across to the public so

1831
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,520
it's great to have people like

1832
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,440
christopher that aren't just a good

1833
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:33,839
writer but are also good editors as well

1834
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,719
yeah

1835
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,520
fantastic stuff uh uh he was a great

1836
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,120
guest today so

1837
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,440
awesome awesome dude awesome great to be

1838
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,759
back man happy new year dude it's great

1839
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,560
to see you happy new year to do

1840
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:49,920
to do happy new year to you as well i

1841
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,040
had a great time uh having you back um

1842
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,040
so i'm looking forward to seeing you

1843
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:57,280
next wednesday we'll see what we have in

1844
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,320
store

1845
01:10:01,669 --> 01:10:00,880
absolutely looking forward to it all

1846
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,679
right

1847
01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:03,280
see you soon everybody have a great

1848
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:05,070
evening yeah

1849
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:27,350
[Music]

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do